Curse

Destroyer1717 · Jan 11, 2008, 06:13 AM // 06:13

I find it sad that people are angry at ANet rather than whoever initiated the exploit, since they started the whole mess. Obviously, it's not reflective of the entire community, since the 117 seem to have flocked here to spam up this thread with angry messages, but still...

Molock · Jan 11, 2008, 06:14 AM // 06:14

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Originally Posted by Cuthroat Dibbler

I rest my case.... Items are disappearing from the game!!!

I seriously hope ANet are true to their promise and ban by IP where poss to prevent multi acct holder reaping the rewards of this. However, its already clear that as these guys have active 2nd/3rd maybe more accts ... the damage is waaaay beyond done and its NOT going to stop in a hurry....

There are people in my guild that were laughing at the bans tonight. They were all on alternate characters just sitting there trying to find ways to make some more gold fast. Its really pathetic if you ask me..

Azarr#1 · Jan 11, 2008, 06:17 AM // 06:17

well the people that got banned in this game actually knew the insides and outs of it all of you are obviously not too great at the game if you didnt know about the exploit until it was told too you now. you just simply beat the game and do your underworld runs hoping to get something really rare to sell to a guy the exploited or ebayed his account or money

Cuthroat Dibbler · Jan 11, 2008, 06:18 AM // 06:18

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Originally Posted by chaoticimajar

my alt just got banned who awsume is that man 71 hours remaining!!! party on WoW!

More items out of game......

so, to the 117 club.... wanna 'fess up some up the awesome gear you've lost to the community...here's your chance to shine...pls no lies...

tell us what we've lost..the mini's the weapons... you can tell us now...

shiznid12 · Jan 11, 2008, 06:22 AM // 06:22

You people are hilarious.

The only reason the number isn't higher than 117 is because not many people knew about it. I can guarantee that if half of you people who are smack talking knew about the exploit, you'd have done it.

Also, after exploiting 4 times (Which is an exact number, whether you like it or not), I deleted all the items from my account (DELETED, FOREVER) and partied up with people to send in a support ticket. That didn't save my account from being banned, even if I was being helpful.

Mickey · Jan 11, 2008, 06:27 AM // 06:27

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Originally Posted by Avarre

Elites? Are you serious?

As one of the 117...I really don't consider myself special, or privileged...I feel like I RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOed up, like I should, lol, and hopefully I can get back on and work this out, now that I informed Gaile of why it shows 24 entrances to the area, although I only did 7 runs.

Lord Sojar · Jan 11, 2008, 06:30 AM // 06:30

This thread reminds me of all the innocent dupers. lolz...

I also notice that a lot of the same people that got unbanned for the armbrace duping are back complaining they got ban hammered. Well now... someone didn't learn their lesson... tsk tsk.

Avarre · Jan 11, 2008, 06:34 AM // 06:34

Enough cats. The more work you make me do, the less happy I'll be when administering judgment for violations here.

shiznid12 · Jan 11, 2008, 06:37 AM // 06:37

I would like to start a protest.

Those of you who did the exploit for personal gain, and show no remorse, get off guru and stop talking. The only thing you're doing is digging a deeper hole for those that do not deserve to be banned. Had I done it for 6 months straight, i'd willingly accept the banstick.

I did it one night, 4 times in 1.5 hours, and gained nothing but worthless experience. But that's grounds for a banning? I believe someone needs to reconsider.

myrealnameismatt · Jan 11, 2008, 06:37 AM // 06:37

" it's the economic impact that we must prevent.

I am personally very, very sad to see some names that I recognize involved in this exploit.

We do understand that some people will be angry about our actions, even if they were not personally involved in the exploit. I think we can all agree it's not a pleasant situation from any viewpoint. But we must put the game community as a whole above the interests of the individual player, when the actions of the individual player can have negative consequences upon all players. And that is what we have done."

The negative consequences of the descision to blanket ban anyone who set foot in the outpost is going to have more of a detrimental effect on the game community as a whole, as the majority of people who have gotten a ban are people who spend quite literally hours upon hours improving other people's experience of the game. In an MMORPG, when played properly, there is no such thing as "individual players" actions. This will have a knock-on effect that will ring through the whole game and personally I think it is a very sad situation. IMO, this whole thing is somewhat akin to placing a big bag of money on the ground, waiting for someone to take a note and then popping a bullet in their heads - ok it's wrong to take the money in the first place - but the reaction to it seems rather excessive to me, and shows an insight into the minds of the people who are running the game.

It is a sad fact of life, be it virtual or actual, that more often than not... numbers are far more important to most people than people are.

And to the people whole feel the need to rub salt in the wounds, sit on their high horses and flame, GG to you - we all know what sort of people you are, you're the happy bunnies who spend all day flaming forums and no time playing.

truzo 117 · Jan 11, 2008, 06:38 AM // 06:38

Look you dint do it you dont know how to get there or how it works, it is not a hack, i alrady said i would personaly show a GM how we found it, i also PM'd Gaile the same thing.

Puritans Aid · Jan 11, 2008, 06:41 AM // 06:41

is my alt ganna get banned a month later, just becuase it has some items still? Cause, honestly, We hadnt farmed this for a month, partly because its not profitable. We used grails/clerity, etc, 3 or 4 consumables per run. I did about 25 runs max, never got an armbrace complete, bought some gyms to get an armbrace but, most runs failed epic anyway. IF you run 15 runs out of this dump town which we truely did think was like urgoz, and you use 60 give or take consumables, and you fail 2 or three times, so using 70 consumables, The money made wasnt worth it. I had nearly forgotten the town existed. We had moved on from farming this crap. Then a month later, BAM we get black listed. OK OK.. so I opened a ticket etc. I was like what did I do wrong, they said you haxor, you demon child of hte guild wars comunity, you evil doer, you whitch! theres a wort on ur nose!.. But its all lies. I got mapped in, did 25 runs over 2 months maybe, quit, didnt do any for a month, never planned to again, and .. wa la. banned.. Nice.

DO I deserve it for being a noob retard? When Factions first came out, and I got into urgoz, I guess I should have realized it was a hack and reported it. Cause its the same type of town, and I had no idea it wasnt accessable in the game, in a simular limited way as urgoz. Of course urgoz has been changed with scrolls, but back when it was new, there was like 1 npc, and me in the place. HAXOR right? right.

I didnt know, I didnt do it much, I basically lost money on it, and now Im banned blamed for epic failure of economy in guild wars, which has the shittiest up and down economy of any major mmorpg to date. Nice going guys. I make more money 2 manning FOW.

Have fun in guild wars, and anyone want an acount< if my main doesnt get un banned I wont be needing my alt.

Thanks.

Jake_Steel · Jan 11, 2008, 06:42 AM // 06:42

To be honest I think should just IP ban all accounts that constantly logged on from and were registered from the same computers as the Flying 117. I mean if one gets banned from a Forum for trolling, one isn't permitted to just create a new Alt and go on with forumtude.

Kayu Ishida · Jan 11, 2008, 06:46 AM // 06:46

I am shocked and appalled by what I am reading in this forum. This issue has obviously started a controversy, and many people have been arguing about the justice behind the 117 bans. After absorbing what many peopel have been saying, I feel the need to comment on a few things.

First off, this little "hack" that keeps coming up in conversation. I do not understand why this word is being used, because it is an inappropriate exaggeration of what I believe the real issue is. No, I do not believe for a second that this was a hack. I believe this was a bug that was discovered by, apparently, the wrong people. I was a tester for a small computer software/hardware programming company, and I know how bugs can be discovered. Do NOT believe for a second that the testers are the only people who find errors in programs, because I will tell you right now that customers find bugs in software all the time. Does that mean we penalize the customers for finding bugs in the software they buy? What do you think? Of course not.

I understand that the circumstances are different in this case. However, I must ask the question "who would know that this was an 'exploit'?". Dispite what those who did not take part in the exploit may think, what normal person (who was not computer savvy at all) would stop and think "This MUST be a bug that was overlooked by ANet testers! I SHALL REPORT THIS AT ONCE!" Is there even a handful of people who play GW who know what a real programming error is? Not only that, who would stop to think "GW is not supposed to work like that! This is a bug!" To be completely honest, the ONLY people who would know how GW was supposed to work would be those with the specifications... Is there any relevance to that point I just threw out there? Well, why don't you think about that?

Anyway, with that being said, what makes you believe for a second that all 117 players were hackers? I am not saying that no one was a hacker, but ALL of them? Pretty please, spare us the allegations. Not only that, but how dare you insult people you've never met? I find that to be most disgusting and pigheaded. Not only that, but have you noticed how many people are not even listening to those who have taken the side (that is, even if you can call it taking sides) of those who were banned? That is the main thing that I find to be unjust. How dare you only listen to Ms. Grey, and talk as if you know everything about the situation. If you want to gain a stable and credible opinion about all this then keep an open ear and open mind and listen to both parties. Please, the world will be a better place if you do.

Since I fear that my post may not have an impact so I'll wrap this up. I do not understand at all why all 117 were banned for doing something that was not known to be wrong. It was not a hack, and it was not known by most of the 117 that it was even an exploit. Why would they think twice by doing what they did? It was just another way to farm afterall. Would you have thought anything of it? Be hostest. I find it uber harsh to ban loyal GW players for something that really does not have an extremely significant impact on the game at all. Anet, whether you believed that your actions were necessary for the good of the game, or if you were just covering your own tails by blaming the 117 "hackers" for your mistake (the mistake of not detecting a bug, which was then discovered by customers, which we both know happens all the time!)....either way you are wrong, and I think you know it.

What a shame... I don't know if ANet was trying to save face through thier decision... but they lost a lot of respect from many loyal players, including myself. To those loyal, unknowing, unfortuante people who were part of the 117, my condolences....

maraxusofk · Jan 11, 2008, 06:46 AM // 06:46

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Originally Posted by Mickey

I had already beaten the Four Lords, I went into Mallyx to try and beat him, from GoA, my team failed, my buddy said, let's go with my team. I get a guest invite, go to Guild Hall, taken to outpost, no Keeper to go to Mallyx, then the little, Enter Mission thing pops up at the top, with the countdown, I'm thinking, wtf, and then we jump back to the Mallyx place, in the Ebony Citadel Place or w/e, so I'm like...ok....were here, let's just do it. So I finish the quest from the outpost that is exploited apparently.

hmmm well i dont blame u for realizing it was an exploit after one time. if u got banned for doing it once, then it woudlnt be fair cuz u just realized it was an exploit.

oh wait....................

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Originally Posted by Mickey

although I only did 7 runs.

7 runs u say? well ud think after the first run, you would realize its an exploit.

remember, anet bans for glithces that affect the economy, but not those that doesnt affect others much (aka mapping glitch.)

Avarre · Jan 11, 2008, 06:47 AM // 06:47

I am going to delete any cats posted, and possibly ban the posters. Keep this thread in shape.

vaxmor · Jan 11, 2008, 06:47 AM // 06:47

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Originally Posted by Puritans Aid

We used grails/clerity, etc, 3 or 4 consumables per run. . . . but, most runs failed epic anyway.

You used ha4x and spl0itz and consummables (and presumably ursan) and you still failed a PvE mission (regularly)?!?!

and you call yourselves '1337'?

funniest thing I heard all day. If GW PvE is too hard for you, how do you '1337' think you will cope in a 60man raid (or other high-end raid) in WoW?

I would also like to second what Malice Black stated about needing h4x in GW PvE (page 1).

imbanned2 · Jan 11, 2008, 06:54 AM // 06:54

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Originally Posted by vaxmor

You used ha4x and spl0itz and consummables (and presumably ursan) and you still failed a PvE mission (regularly)?!?!

and you call yourselves '1337'?

funniest thing I heard all day. If GW PvE is too hard for you, how do you '1337' think you will cope in a 60man raid (or other high-end raid) in WoW?

I would also like to second what Malice Black stated about needing h4x in GW PvE (page 1).

lol dude thats not the point.. the point of that phrase is that wasnt a real exploit.. was a save of time of a few mins.. btw did the market blow up? nope it was going down since ursan was out.. that skill made the game brainless

upier · Jan 11, 2008, 06:56 AM // 06:56

Yep it shows very clearly that the creators and I have very different ideas what is good for the game.
Simply because I just don't feel that such an exploit is enough to justify a ban. Or even clearer - the only actions I feel should lead to a ban would be cheating (all forms) in PvP. Other then that - GW PvE is a superb single-player game and cheating in those had always been fun!

-Sonata- · Jan 11, 2008, 06:57 AM // 06:57

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Originally Posted by chaoticimajar

the 117 elites that had the good life it was a great time Mallyx Ftw!

Elites? Elite players don't get banned from their games for breaching user agreements in severe manners such as this.

Elite gamers, the ones who travel the world and compete because of actual talent are the true "1337" in this world. Those who value their actual gaming tournament cash prizes, not in game gold, are the true elite.

World class players like Fata1ty are the real elites.

World class players, who make an actual living, who get paid in the thousands of dollars from corporate sponsers like ATI, AlienWare, and NVIDIA because they know how to play, not cheat, are the real elite gamers.

People have gone from bragging, to threats, to pointing fingers, suffering tourette attacks, playing the victim card, making conspiracy theories, and whatever else they can pull from a hat to divert attention. Even trying to pass yourselves off as "leet".

Nothing, and I do mean nothing about this is "leet" in any way, shape, or form. It's the opposite of elite. It's sad.

People have been trying to tell me that if I had known about it, I'd have done it too. Really?

Well, here's some info. I did know about it. You know what I did? I stayed out of DoA.

I knew about the last ferry glitch. Know what I did? I stayed far away from it.

I knew about the Armbraces. Know what I did? I stayed away from them and told people, flat out, I want nothing to do with any armbrace. Don't offer me one, don't try to sell me one, don't ask me to hold onto one (or 100). Leave me out of it. Ectos and gold are worth jack in a ban.

Don't try to pass off the blame like "everyone" would do it. Reality is no, not everyone would do it. Some of us value our accounts more than that. Some of us know that when something is truly out of the ordinary, it's best to notify the proper people and then stay as far away as possible from it until it's either fixed, or an official word is given that it's not an issue.

You got caught and that's all there is too it. If you're truly "Innocent" then you know what to do to fix it. Spamming this board with some of these excuses, well, that doesn't exactly show signs of being innocent, nor does it show you're above breaking rules for your own selfish reasons.